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Free PDF: The Story of the Oliver Twins
Started by richard11 Dec 04 2018 02:25 PM

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This has absolutely nothing to do with me but I thought some of you guys might be interested. It's a 236 page PDF about the Oliver Twins and their career. They've been role models of mine for decades and I'm sure that most of you have at least heard of them.

 

Usually £5.99 but currently free! https://fusionretrobooks.com/collections/pdf/products/pdf-the-story-of-the-oliver-twins


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Thanks for the link ... I love these kinds of books and, even though no free versions, can highly recommend

 

Masters of Doom

On the Edge: The Spectacular Rise and Fall of Commodore

Gamers at Work

Losing my Virginity

Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future

 

 

And here's a free one that's also a pretty decent read

https://s3.amazonaws.com/lsshop/AHistoryofLlamasoft.pdf



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Thanks for the Llamas link. This is proving to be a great read! I was born in 86 so only caught the tail end of Basic (QB in DOS, and BasicA on the MSX) and my time dabbling with Assembly code totals about 3 hours building a traffic light loop on a PIC as part of a college course that had very little to do with programming, but even for me this brings back memories!

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I grew up on Dizzy and was very happy when I got to meet Philip in Blitz studios back in '08, he was very nice.



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Very jealous of that! My partner is a student at Huddersfield university and they're doing a talk there later this month, or it might have just passed... Regardless, she could get herself a free ticket to it but wasn't able to get me in 😔

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I went to "An Evening With The Oliver Twins" at the National Videogame Museum earlier in the year (might have been last year actually - my memory isn't what it once was).  Came away with a carrier bag full of goodies.  I told Andrew about when I phoned them up to complain that I had completed Dizzy less than 2 hours after buying it.  They told me I was officially the first person to complete it and that they'd send me a free copy of their next game, and he remembered it!! :)

 

I read that Llamasoft when it was first published and enjoyed it at the time, but my own personal thoughts on Llamasoft (specifically jeff Minter)  are probably best left unsaid on a public forum.  



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I read that Llamasoft when it was first published and enjoyed it at the time, but my own personal thoughts on Llamasoft (specifically jeff Minter)  are probably best left unsaid on a public forum.  

 

Yeah I read it back when it was originally written and released chapter by chapter.

Did something special happen, with regards to Llamasoft/Minter? I haven't noticed something worse but then I'm not actively following what they do.



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I used to be very active on the Llamasoft forums (yakyak) until it got so sycophantic towards Jeff that it was embarrassing, as well as a regular at the Llamasoft centered Retrovision events.  I don't want to bad mouth anyone in public but I had a falling out with Jeff in 2008 over something so trivial it was pathetic, combined that with some of his attitude to the games industry and these days I wouldn't give him the time of day. 



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I'd never heard of Llamasoft or Jeff until this thread... Guess I've been living under a rock there as we owned Spectrums, Commodores, an MSX, and probably around 100 games before I was even born (in 86). If I loaded up the games I used to play I'd probably spot some llama logos in them, but I didn't pay much attention to who developed them at the time... Except for the games that inspired me as a developer myself. And those were primarily games by the Oliver Twins, Codemasters (Darling brothers), and a little later, Bullfrog, Interplay, and id software.

Having now read the Llamasoft history (still unfinished? 😔) I've added Jeff to my list of early developers to respect. From what he's written I get the feeling he's not the kind of person I'd particularly get along with, but at the same time I have a slightly unconditional love for people who, without the help of teachers or the Internet, managed to figure out those old machines and start an industry that gave me my childhood hobby and now career. This industry was literally founded by kids, most of which coming from families who struggled to scrape together the money for a computer, and they had such minimal resources to learn from. It's incredible that we've come so far in such a small amount of time, and it's entirely thanks to people like Jeff.

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I'm old (45) and as a kid my first contact to a homecomputer was by a schoolmate with a VC20 and a selfmade circuit board to connect a (back then) typical pocket radio/cassette recorder so files could be saved and loaded from regular tapes. I can actually remember that one of the very first games I played there was Gridrunner (a year later I had my own C64 with a Datasette).

A lot of time had to pass until I became interested in the actual stories of all kinds of devs and other early tech guys.

 

It's amazing to read all those stories and notice all the risks, huge amounts of work but of course also luck/timing was required to get to the goal. Of course knowing very well that it's only a very filtered view because we typically only hear about the successful - way more may have invested and sacrificed even more but nobody talks about those.

 

Anyway, another interesting read is Founders at Work, a bit dated given it's about a decade old, but still a great read (and, just like Gamers at Work, it's a collection of shorter stories, so it's decent if you typically don't want/can't spend the time to read a complete book).



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Since we're plugging the "X at Work" series I'd like to put in a good word for Peter Siebel's "Coders at Work" (the only one I've read).  :)

 

Dadgum Games's Halcyon Days is a good one too. (Some interesting essays on the site proper, as well.)

 

Since id was mentioned, the last several chapters of the Graphics Programming Black Book have stories out of the Doom and Quake development periods. Lots of interesting stories throughout, actually (they began life as magazine articles) despite some very deep code.

 

I thought Codemasters had some 8-bit retrospectives on their YouTube channel, but searches aren't turning them up.  :(


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Some great links popping up in this thread. I'm clearly in for a fair amount of procrastination these coming weeks...


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