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Appodeal + Amazon = app won't run due to "Google Play Services"
Started by firerabbit.info Nov 20 2018 03:20 PM

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It is an issue with the Appodeal Corona plugin not with the build system.



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As of right now, there is no Amazon store Appodeal SDK modular build, so it's not a Corona plugin issue, sadly, we can't fully support Amazon store builds on a modular plugin, since Appodeal doesn't have an SDK for that atm.


Appodeal team is already working on Amazon store Appodeal SDK modular build for quite some time, but they can't give an ETA for now, I will update you on this.

I'm really hoping that you can hear me out on that subject, guys, I thought it was quite simple to understand what exactly this issue is about, let me elaborate.

Before said SDK for Amazon builds is ready, all we can do is put a stub for Amazon builds, so that you can't build an app for Amazon store with the Corona Appodeal plugin at all. To avoid further misunderstanding, we are considering doing that, the only thing stopping us is that some users, like agramonte, can find a way to bypass said restrictions, although it's definitely not recommended to not include dependencies, on which Appodeal SDK is relying.

If you have any more questions, feel free to ask them, it seems that subject may be hard to understand.

Btw, using a Corona Native is basically means that you're building an app with Corona, but take a responsibility of native development, so it's up to you to decide, what native functions, APIs, third-party SDKs and dependencies you'll be using.



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Thank you both.  Looking forward to when Corona + Appodeal have a plugin available that targets Amazon.



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Thank you both.  Looking forward to when Corona + Appodeal have a plugin available that targets Amazon.

Although the work on the said SDK has been going on for quite some time, as I've said, I've pointed out the importance of the said SDK for Corona users to responsible Appodeal employees, so that the SDK should be prepared asap. It may be hard to prepare all adapters and base of modular system to be Amazon store compliant, though, hope for your understanding, because I can't really comment on that.



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I hope you don't stub it out. It works for me. Maybe you can put it on the documentation "AMAZON BUILD IS NOT SUPPORTED" in red, bold and all caps.

 

And Amazon is a misnomer. I am trying to get my app into other 3rd party stores that don't necessarily need the Google stuff (Yandex and Aptoid to name 2).



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Maybe you can put it on the documentation "AMAZON BUILD IS NOT SUPPORTED" in red, bold and all caps.

Actually, the docs were updated with the warning of that kind, the web page should be updated soon.



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Hi;

 

I'm adding a post to this thread because we have published quite successful word games on Kindles for 4+ years and we have ALWAYS been challenged in finding solid & stable advertising alternatives.

 

Of course I voted on the Features Request (years ago) to have Corona offer an "Amazon Ads" plugin. (Link - http://feedback.coronalabs.com/forums/188732-corona-sdk-feature-requests-feedback/suggestions/5646802-add-support-for-amazon-mobile-ads-api)

 

I'd even pay the $199 "premium" for it if it was available -- as long as the plugin supported the three main app store types (which it does in its SDK from Amazon).

 

But I also realize that Appodeal is the parent here . . . so getting things set so that the Appodeal Base with the "Amazon Ads" feature works properly and fully should be the most direct path to a solution.

 

An interesting article ran in the WSJ about a week ago. The title was:

 

Amazon, With Little Fanfare, Emerges as an Advertising Giant

Its push challenges the big ad sellers, including Facebook, Google and TV networks
 

I'm not including a link to it as you have to be a subscriber to read the whole thing (easy to Google the title if you are a subscriber). But here are three key paragraphs to convey the gist of the article's message:

 

Amazon.com Inc. handles nearly half of all online sales in the U.S., giving it a popular platform and a wealth of consumer data. Now it’s on track to become the next juggernaut of online advertising, and its rise threatens to upend Silicon Valley’s ad titans and change the way business is done on Madison Avenue.

 
The online retailer has ascended to the No. 3 spot in the U.S. digital ad market behind the dominant players, Alphabet Inc.’s Google and Facebook Inc. Though Amazon has just 4% of the market now, the company is expanding its avenues for marketers and hiring aggressively for its ad unit.
 
Amazon is expected to collect 15 cents of each new dollar spent on U.S. digital ads in 2020, up from 5 cents last year, according to an analysis of data from research firm eMarketer.
 

Better monetization options on Amazon Kindles would make for better overall monetization for many of us that depend upon Corona's great SDK for building advertising-based apps for all 3 major app platforms.

 

Steve



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Hi Steve,

Thanks for your feedback!



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I as a person that has native apps also want to mention that although Amazon Ads sounds good on paper and their eCPM is sort of competitive their fill rate is fairly low. In many countries, it is 0% and even in the USA, it is not great. I just looked at my data and in the recent month (October 2018) when I was using them: 17K impressions, fill rate of 12.38% and an eCPM of $1.61. All interstitials. All USA. All on iOS. Appodeal usually gets me at least 2x that in the USA with very close to 100% fill rate. Although I don't have large numbers for Android devices they are not much better (actually worse).



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Hi Agramonte;

 

Thanks for the info. Good to have input on actual numbers for "Amazon Ads".

 

Is the fill rate 0% on Kindles (Amazon App Store Builds)? That is my primary concern.

 

We use our own little waterfall on iOS and Android (Admob, Chartboost, AppLovin, Facebook) so we probably wouldn't even do "Amazon Ads" in the waterfall if the economics and fill rate is that bad.

 

Our focus is on whether the economics are good on Amazon-specific devices.

 

Steve



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If I remember correctly it is less than 10% fill rate in the USA on Amazon devices. Go to the Amazon forums under services and search for "fill rate date:"2018-08-05 TO 2018-12-05". You'll notice many responses from people mentioning the fill rate being very low or 0% (in Europe). If you want to do a native build for Corona, I believe I have a plugin on my machine that I can put on github.



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Thanks for the additional info. Certainly important to ponder.

 

And I appreciate your plugin offer for a native build. I'll keep it in mind going forward.

 

Steve



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Is there any fix to this issue? Talking to the Appodeal people it looks like they will never fix Appodeal + Corona + Amazon error about the Google Play Services. Excerpts of my chat with the Appodeal people in the past few days. Is there anything that Corona can do to help out with this?

 

Appodeal plugin for Corona for Amazon store are restricted at the moment.

 

Hello. Unfortunately, we won't release new version of corona plugin. We won't support it anymore. It's so because is'is not so popular as rest of frameworks and we decided to concentrate on other frameworks to provide better quality of our product.



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I wish they would open source it. I could easily maintain it.



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Funny you guys posted here just now.  Yesterday I received two followups from Appodeal stating the same thing you did: they are no longer supporting Corona SDK.  Which is truly bizarre given that Appodeal BOUGHT Corona SDK.  

 

Appodeal bought Corona out and then the paid ad plugin model showed up, basically pushing everyone towards Appodeal.  But then Appodeal stopped supporting Corona?  Was this just to kill Corona?

 

Sucks because we have a large portfolio built on Corona and this was just the latest issue with Corona that is leading us to migrate to a different platform.  We simply can't afford to be invested in a platform that may not exist.  Sucks because it's going to be a LOT of work to migrate.

 

Good luck guys.



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My memory isn't what it use to and I don't really pay that much attention to the coming and goings of Corona, but I think the idea of charging for the advertising plugins was Raj's idea and not Appodeal. Appodeal just made their plug-in free because they owned Corona. 



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I feel the real question for the team at Corona is what kind of improvements will we keep seeing in the future or will Appodeal shut it down/move it to maintenance mode? Any one that can throw light on this will be great.

 

Thanks.



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Well, this is again a place where a little communication from Appoal and Corona would go a great distance.

@firerabbit.info, I'd really love to see the actual message that you received because summaries like you just posted are prone to severe miscommunication. For instance, did Appodeal tell you that they no longer support Corona SDK or their SDK for Corona?

 

This is just me speculating, but karpovpw's posts on this thread lead me to believe that Corona's engineers take Appodeal's Android SDK and iOS SDK and use them to create their (modular) plugin. If this is the case, then there's absolutely no issue. On the contrary, I'd rather have both Appodeal and Corona's engineers focus on their key strengths, i.e. Appodeal's ad platform and Corona's engine and plugins, etc.


@firerabbit.info & @shivapp, I don't believe that Appodeal is thinking of ending Corona or putting it to maintenance mode, but without proper communication from Appodeal and Corona's part, everyone is free to speculate and groups of people speculating by themselves tend to heavily skew towards negative.



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@firerabbit.info, I'd really love to see the actual message that you received because summaries like you just posted are prone to severe miscommunication. For instance, did Appodeal tell you that they no longer support Corona SDK or their SDK for Corona?

@firerabbit.info & @shivapp, I don't believe that Appodeal is thinking of ending Corona or putting it to maintenance mode, but without proper communication from Appodeal and Corona's part, everyone is free to speculate and groups of people speculating by themselves tend to heavily skew towards negative.

 

Fair enough.  @shivapp already posted their correspondance with Appodeal with Appodeal stating they won't be supporting Corona SDK anymore.  Here are the two responses I received, one from their Helpdesk, and one from the account management team.

 

From their management team:

Hi Chris, 

I am not sure this question was answered or not. However, I learned that we no longer support Corona and we don't plan to create this build.

Let me know if you have any further questions.
 
 
From their helpdesk:
Hello Chris!
Sorry for the long answer. 
Unfortunately, at the moment we do not plan to build Corona SDK for the Amazon network.
If we can help you with anything else, let us know!

When I responded and asked if this was Appodeal just not supporting Amazon, or whether Appodeal was just not supporting Corona, they responded:

Yes, Amazon Ads woks fine on Unity

Hope that clears up any severe miscommunication.  I agree there's lots of speculation as Corona is not the most transparent company, but with the push to open source and the lack of support of Corona's owners for their own child platform (!!!), I don't think it's unwise to start considering succession planning if you earn income on this platform.

 

We've been on Corona for almost 6 years and have built over 20 games with 8+ million downloads on it, including one that made editors choice on Google.  We've been big fans and supporters, but we've had a series of unaddressed issues over the last few years (GDPR, persistent build issues, etc) and, to us, the writing is on the wall.  Your mileage may vary :)

 

EDIT: I forgot to mention that all responses from Appodeal came nearly at the same time, and my original questions were made 1-2 months ago.  For different parties at Appodeal to respond to me at the same time, after months of wait, and around the same time that other users also received responses, seems to indicate a decision was made at Appodeal and is now being communicated out.  Maybe we'll see some more news from Corona later.

 

C


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My memory isn't what it use to and I don't really pay that much attention to the coming and goings of Corona, but I think the idea of charging for the advertising plugins was Raj's idea and not Appodeal. Appodeal just made their plug-in free because they owned Corona. 

 

You're probably right, thanks.  I also wish they'd Open Source it...



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That sounds pretty much like the Appodeal responding to you concerning their SDK for Corona, not Corona SDK itself. Still, like you, I hope to hear more from both companies soon, or rather, I need to hear from them.



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That sounds pretty much like the Appodeal responding to you concerning their SDK for Corona, not Corona SDK itself. Still, like you, I hope to hear more from both companies soon, or rather, I need to hear from them.

 

Definitely!  Sorry if I didn't communicate that well.  To be clear: Appodeal has communicated to me and others that Appodeal are no longer going to be supporting Appodeal on Corona SDK.  I have not received any communication from Appodeal indicating that they are going to cease/kill Corona itself.  My speculation/comments were around how bizarre and bad it looks when Appodeal won't support its own child company, but will support competitors like Unity. 

 

I can't wrap my head around the business decision of buying a development platform and then ending support to it.  With Appodeal pulling it's ad support to Corona it reduces the value of Corona, which is a odd thing to do for a company that just bought Corona.

 

Anyways, agreed, let's hear from Corona...



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It seems like Appodeal is not building for Corona even though they own Corona which is a bit weird. I asked a further clarifying and direct question with Appodeal support

 

Me: I have a quick question on this. As Appodeal owns Corona and if you are not going to support Corona then is Appodeal thinking of shutting down Corona?
 
Appodeal Support: Hi! No, just corona will be open source. you can read more about this here - https://coronalabs.com/blog/2018/12/05/its-our-9th-birthday-and-we-have-some-big-open-source-news/
 
I like both Corona and Appodeal and hope they work more closely. Hopefully we can get an answer from the team at Corona also.


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Hello! Thank you for your patience. We still support corona plugin

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IMG_20180921_214103-1537772047.jpg?15377 Alexandra from Appodeal


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Sorry for all the confusion. I'm trying to get to the bottom of where this is originating. It could be a simple case where a support person mis-understood where we are in our open source rollout and what parts are going to be open sourced.. It's a holiday weekend so I may not be able to sort this out for a while. 

 

But for now, I would take Alexandra's response to @agramonte as official.

 

Rob




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