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Appodeal + Amazon = app won't run due to "Google Play Services"
Started by firerabbit.info Nov 20 2018 03:20 PM

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It is an issue with the Appodeal Corona plugin not with the build system.



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As of right now, there is no Amazon store Appodeal SDK modular build, so it's not a Corona plugin issue, sadly, we can't fully support Amazon store builds on a modular plugin, since Appodeal doesn't have an SDK for that atm.


Appodeal team is already working on Amazon store Appodeal SDK modular build for quite some time, but they can't give an ETA for now, I will update you on this.

I'm really hoping that you can hear me out on that subject, guys, I thought it was quite simple to understand what exactly this issue is about, let me elaborate.

Before said SDK for Amazon builds is ready, all we can do is put a stub for Amazon builds, so that you can't build an app for Amazon store with the Corona Appodeal plugin at all. To avoid further misunderstanding, we are considering doing that, the only thing stopping us is that some users, like agramonte, can find a way to bypass said restrictions, although it's definitely not recommended to not include dependencies, on which Appodeal SDK is relying.

If you have any more questions, feel free to ask them, it seems that subject may be hard to understand.

Btw, using a Corona Native is basically means that you're building an app with Corona, but take a responsibility of native development, so it's up to you to decide, what native functions, APIs, third-party SDKs and dependencies you'll be using.



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Thank you both.  Looking forward to when Corona + Appodeal have a plugin available that targets Amazon.



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Thank you both.  Looking forward to when Corona + Appodeal have a plugin available that targets Amazon.

Although the work on the said SDK has been going on for quite some time, as I've said, I've pointed out the importance of the said SDK for Corona users to responsible Appodeal employees, so that the SDK should be prepared asap. It may be hard to prepare all adapters and base of modular system to be Amazon store compliant, though, hope for your understanding, because I can't really comment on that.



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I hope you don't stub it out. It works for me. Maybe you can put it on the documentation "AMAZON BUILD IS NOT SUPPORTED" in red, bold and all caps.

 

And Amazon is a misnomer. I am trying to get my app into other 3rd party stores that don't necessarily need the Google stuff (Yandex and Aptoid to name 2).



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Maybe you can put it on the documentation "AMAZON BUILD IS NOT SUPPORTED" in red, bold and all caps.

Actually, the docs were updated with the warning of that kind, the web page should be updated soon.



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Hi;

 

I'm adding a post to this thread because we have published quite successful word games on Kindles for 4+ years and we have ALWAYS been challenged in finding solid & stable advertising alternatives.

 

Of course I voted on the Features Request (years ago) to have Corona offer an "Amazon Ads" plugin. (Link - http://feedback.coronalabs.com/forums/188732-corona-sdk-feature-requests-feedback/suggestions/5646802-add-support-for-amazon-mobile-ads-api)

 

I'd even pay the $199 "premium" for it if it was available -- as long as the plugin supported the three main app store types (which it does in its SDK from Amazon).

 

But I also realize that Appodeal is the parent here . . . so getting things set so that the Appodeal Base with the "Amazon Ads" feature works properly and fully should be the most direct path to a solution.

 

An interesting article ran in the WSJ about a week ago. The title was:

 

Amazon, With Little Fanfare, Emerges as an Advertising Giant

Its push challenges the big ad sellers, including Facebook, Google and TV networks
 

I'm not including a link to it as you have to be a subscriber to read the whole thing (easy to Google the title if you are a subscriber). But here are three key paragraphs to convey the gist of the article's message:

 

Amazon.com Inc. handles nearly half of all online sales in the U.S., giving it a popular platform and a wealth of consumer data. Now it’s on track to become the next juggernaut of online advertising, and its rise threatens to upend Silicon Valley’s ad titans and change the way business is done on Madison Avenue.

 
The online retailer has ascended to the No. 3 spot in the U.S. digital ad market behind the dominant players, Alphabet Inc.’s Google and Facebook Inc. Though Amazon has just 4% of the market now, the company is expanding its avenues for marketers and hiring aggressively for its ad unit.
 
Amazon is expected to collect 15 cents of each new dollar spent on U.S. digital ads in 2020, up from 5 cents last year, according to an analysis of data from research firm eMarketer.
 

Better monetization options on Amazon Kindles would make for better overall monetization for many of us that depend upon Corona's great SDK for building advertising-based apps for all 3 major app platforms.

 

Steve



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Hi Steve,

Thanks for your feedback!



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I as a person that has native apps also want to mention that although Amazon Ads sounds good on paper and their eCPM is sort of competitive their fill rate is fairly low. In many countries, it is 0% and even in the USA, it is not great. I just looked at my data and in the recent month (October 2018) when I was using them: 17K impressions, fill rate of 12.38% and an eCPM of $1.61. All interstitials. All USA. All on iOS. Appodeal usually gets me at least 2x that in the USA with very close to 100% fill rate. Although I don't have large numbers for Android devices they are not much better (actually worse).



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Hi Agramonte;

 

Thanks for the info. Good to have input on actual numbers for "Amazon Ads".

 

Is the fill rate 0% on Kindles (Amazon App Store Builds)? That is my primary concern.

 

We use our own little waterfall on iOS and Android (Admob, Chartboost, AppLovin, Facebook) so we probably wouldn't even do "Amazon Ads" in the waterfall if the economics and fill rate is that bad.

 

Our focus is on whether the economics are good on Amazon-specific devices.

 

Steve



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If I remember correctly it is less than 10% fill rate in the USA on Amazon devices. Go to the Amazon forums under services and search for "fill rate date:"2018-08-05 TO 2018-12-05". You'll notice many responses from people mentioning the fill rate being very low or 0% (in Europe). If you want to do a native build for Corona, I believe I have a plugin on my machine that I can put on github.



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Thanks for the additional info. Certainly important to ponder.

 

And I appreciate your plugin offer for a native build. I'll keep it in mind going forward.

 

Steve




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